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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 28, 2008 9:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Recent Phil Interview

http://www.jambands.com/Features/content_2008_10_25.10.phtml

BTW, there is anniversary Ryan show on the archive today where he plays with Gillian Welch (she and Dave Rawlings were on Heartbreaker). Anyway, Phil on Ryan:

MG- You have also been covering Ryan Adams a good deal recently.

PL- Ryan’s talent is so large that it also relates to the Grateful Dead. Cold Roses relates to The Dead even though it has nothing to do with them. His work is absolutely, genetically in sync with our tour set, and so they are in sync with our songs. It’s delightful to use his great songs and tear them apart because their sensibility is so in tune with The Dead. Then there is his other stuff which is equally brilliant, only it covers different genres.

MG- What was your introduction to his music?

PL- The Jammys [in 2005]. The goal was to have people from the jamband world play with people they normally wouldn’t play with, which is a fantastic idea by the way. So when they had me host the Jammys, and they had me play with John Mayer, Buddy Guy and ?ustlove from The Roots. Then they had me playing with Ryan, but I hadn’t heard his music. I went on iTunes and got his latest album Cold Roses, and I was just entranced by it, “Yes, oh YES.” All those shock of recognition sounds. And when I met and we played together, I thought, “This guy is really a kindred spirit.” His life is a jam, and he has opened up musically since then. It is wonderful to see how that’s all developed. I’m a big Ryan Adams fan.


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Poster: wineland Date: Oct 28, 2008 1:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Recent Phil Interview

I downloaded this show recently. Very nice sound (matrix) and the playing is great.
http://www.archive.org/details/ra2008-01-22.ra2008-01-22.flac16.sbd

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Poster: Speaking in Swords Date: Oct 28, 2008 10:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Recent Phil Interview

Is there a tape of the Phil/?uestlove jam in circulation?

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Poster: Morning Dewd Date: Oct 28, 2008 10:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Recent Phil Interview

I have to agree with Phil about Ryan's musical develoupment.
I've been a fan since Stranger's Almanac (Whiskeytown), which only hinted at the talent that Mr. Adams has now come to realize.
He recently played in Albany (w/ The Cardinals)and did not disappoint.I was also pleasantly surprised at how quickly the show was uploaded here.I was streaming it with my coffee the next morning!

http://www.archive.org/details/radams2008-09-25.flac16

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 28, 2008 11:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Recent Phil Interview

Check out some of Caitlin Cary's work - she has progressed mighty well since Whiskeytown as well. That was the band I saw for New Years coming into 2000 (at the Cat's Cradle in Chapel Hill).

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 28, 2008 11:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Recent Biden Interview

"Is This a Joke?"

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Oct 28, 2008 3:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Recent Biden Interview

Best answer he could have possibly given - or I suppose you think that Biden is obligated to refute deranged fantasies about Obama, just because they come from Fox News?

You should really do some research on the history of the income tax in America - also find yourself a definition of "socialism," and while you are at it you should also read a non-partisan piece on the manufactured ACORN "scandal."

You have no idea how stupid you sound.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 28, 2008 4:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Recent attempt to start a flame war DENIED

How about you dress up like a peacock and run around with a dirty diaper on your head?

Seriously, I am not even going to get into this stuff anymore.

Sorry, you stole enough of my time already.

Just answer the questions sir, are you or have you ever been howard hughes kleenex supplier?

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Oct 28, 2008 7:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Recent Biden Interview

socialism explained
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Poster: Bob Gnarley Date: Oct 29, 2008 8:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Recent Biden Interview

Income Redistribution - A fulfilling experiment when personally applied!

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 29, 2008 9:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Nice article

Interesting to see who donates to charity also, and how much... voluntarily... like it should be.

Anyone who thinks the money taken from the "rich" will make it's way to the poor is a bit too trusting of government.

I am currently reading a college dictionary from 1974 that says the definition of the democratic party is: originally the democratic republican party, formed in opposition of a large central government. It also called marijuana a harmless non addictive substance so I am pretty sure it was a fair pre-rovian version...

Joe biden's gas guzzling caravan including 30 motorcycle cops and a giant bus and a bunch of secret service dinalli's held me up at an intersection for 20 minutes this morning burning my last fumes of gas and creating lots of carbon by the way...

Let me guess, this is where I get called stupid or someone says bush murdered babies and doesn't acknowledge anything fact that I say.

I am honestly taking benzos and staying calm, trying not to watch too much more of this shit show. I am not voting so if anyone wants to save a trip that would neutralize each other's vote let me know.

At least osama and I used to use the same cassettes!

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Oct 29, 2008 2:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Nice article

Yes, the McCain-Palin campaign is being run on the sweat of true Americans, and has no need to burn fossil fuels ...

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 29, 2008 3:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Speaking of plastic

Can you make plastic out of solar or wind energy?

Everyone talks about fuel, they never think about paint, plastic, tires, furniture, computers, wires, surgical tubing and all that.

Let's not drill, let's hang organic palin effigies and be hateful and then want laws that give extra protection to hatred against us because we stick stuff up our ass... that's fair.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Oct 30, 2008 10:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of plastic

Nice ... total change of tack. This is in fact the easiest way to win an argument isn't it? Just keep changing the subject ...

btw The top tax rate under McCain's proposed plan is 36% vs. Obama's 39%, so, according to you & the GOP, the difference between capitalism and socialism is ... 3%.

In 2001, Bush lowered the top tax rate from 38.6% to 35%, so effectively all Obama wants to do is roll back the discounts that the rich and super-rich have been getting for the last 8 years while the rest of us skidded into the gutter. What a fucking communist!

I applaud the way Biden handled that question.

It really is pathetic the way you repeat every mean-spirited, boneheaded thing that you hear, without ever learning anything for yourself.

I would pity you if you weren't such an agressively ill-informed dick.

btw re: your below post: I don't believe that anyone here would defend the assholes who hung the Palin effegy, but it's a smart move on your part to preemptorily accuse us. I mean, everyone who disagrees with you believes everything that you hate, don't they?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 31, 2008 11:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of plastic

Forget these:

I would pity you if you weren't such an agressively ill-informed dick.

FUCK YOU, you name calling little hypocrite pansy ass.

:) There we are even and both jerk offs!

btw re: your below post: I don't believe that anyone here would defend the assholes who hung the Palin effegy, but it's a smart move on your part to preemptorily accuse us. I mean, everyone who disagrees with you believes everything that you hate, don't they?

Did I accuse you? Got a guilty concious? I don't believe anyone shoule be hanging effigies of anyone but the point that the people who hung it benefit from hate crime laws and the ones who hung the obama effigy in responce and are in jail are not is another example of the hypocrisy of liberalism and it favoritism of one group over another.

Generalizations of me make you look ignorant, not me. Stop assuming things, we'll all be better off.

I stopped this long ago and will ignore you unless you want to have a civil debate or honest conversation.

I only came back because you did and stooping to that level is not where I want to be right now. So good luck with your life and your choices, I have my own and will fight to keep them at all costs.

Peace.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Oct 31, 2008 5:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of plastic


Lick my stinky sphincter, you lying piece of shit.

You didn't accuse me, you just used it as an excuse to come on like the mouth-breathing homophobe you are ... and you know who are usually the screaming homphobes? Terrified closet cases like Larry Craig, and really gross ugly guys, whose delusional persecution by "the gays" is the closest thing to a love life they have.

Which are you?


Let's not drill, let's hang organic palin effigies and be hateful and then want laws that give extra protection to hatred against us because we stick stuff up our ass... that's fair.


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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Nov 3, 2008 2:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: My final words on the subject

You acuse me of being a closet homo after asking me to perform analingus, that's hilarious!

Stop with the insults they prove you are moron.

I was obviously joking but you obviously have no sense of humor.

My comment on the irony of people protected against hatespeech using it as a political tool stands as valid and doesn't make me a homophobe.

And yes they stick stuff up their ass, it sure got your attention.

Lighten up and get a clue man, you are way off course.

Report you for abuse? As biden said, "are you joking?"

You will leave me to fear and division, by myself? Like an amoeba or something? You need two for division and you are the one screaming when I have moved on to posting lyrics in another thread.

You have demonstrated a few things that contradict your whole premise.

1. You are not compasionate or tolerant of anyone who disagrees with you.

2. You are an angry, nasty person.

There you go. Saying all I am doing is stirring up shit when all I did was defend a position someone else attacked.

If that is what we have to look forward to for the next 4 years, we are in trouble as a nation. What happened to inclusiveness and all that jazz?

Both of you who call my facts and opinons wacky or just ignore them do all of us a diservice. I am done arguing politics and have decided instead to focus on the integrity and reason of those of you have disagreed with me. Instead of taking my words as a valid opinion you label, ignore and trivialize them. That's fucked up and I am sure most would agree that you can't have such a generalized and biased view on things and make an educated decision, but I could be wrong.

Maybe this forum is hosted in a site in a really liberal city and is visited by people who's favorite band was started amongst protest and communal living...

To assume that only one side of the politcal spectrum is using lies and disinformation is also a big mistake. For the record, it is a choice of the lesser of two evils, I just feel mccain is a far lesser evil and to take such an extreme position against me for exercising my freedom of choice and freedom of speech.

In closing, I agree with you that the partisanship and division is tragic and it seems to be creepling our ability to reach common ground in perlious times. I am tempted to break a 30 year streak and pray.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Nov 3, 2008 6:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: My final words on the subject

>>>To assume that only one side of the politcal spectrum is using lies and disinformation is also a big mistake. For the record, it is a choice of the lesser of two evils, I just feel mccain is a far lesser evil and to take such an extreme position against me for exercising my freedom of choice and freedom of speech. >>>

The problem with your side is that they lie almost constantly!

It's really tiresome to always try to sort through it thelies. At least Ron Paul and Ralph Nader have fresh things to say but the Rightists are jingoistic liars and crooks.

I'd go way beyond that for talk radio -- many of them on the right are downright evil. Just check out Savage and Melanie Morgan-Lee Rogers. Oh wait -- they're just joking right.

Even today Palin is trying to claim that Obama is on the side of terrorists. I'd go beyond Obama myself and ask what is terror. Is it bombing civilians? Is that ok sometimes?

McCain should be ashamed of his campaign's lies, and by his refusal to keep country first by picking a person like Palin. Comne on, she still think the VP controls the Senate. McCain's timing and analysis of the economy further proves he's unfit. Plus he seems to have violated the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, by giving military aid to the enemy (however understandable). That and the fact that was was not born in the USA would seem to eliminate him from candidacy.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Nov 5, 2008 4:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: apprehension

Well, it's over and I am done with politics for good. For many it was a special day. I only hope what happened yesterday to an innocent child is not a sign of things to come.

I picked up my 10 year old stepdaughter from elementary school where they had a mock election. Her family cast mixed votes for both candidates, she unfortunately did not vote correctly in her class. She was called a racist, a 10 year old, by a fellow classmate for not voting for obama. Aside from the initial rage I felt and sadness for her, the luke warm reception of the principle caused me great concern. The young black boy who said that obviously got it from his parents and that is a shame. So much for coming together I suppose. If he said it, how many more thought it but didn't say it?

I honestly thought this would be the election that proved beyond a reasonable doubt that everyone has opportunity in this country but honestly it seems to me that this election has brought out the worst from everyone. From the knuckleheads who spraypainted racial slurs I am not allowed to say on a black guy's house down the road from here, to the incident at the school. From the hours I wasted talking to walls and insults and ugliness that ensued. The rest of the world is celebrating but only half the country is. Some people have a feeling of ominous uncertainty about our future from rights of ownership to freedom of speech (so called fairness doctine).

The world is watching...

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Poster: mreyus Date: Nov 5, 2008 5:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: apprehension

I MUST AGREE.

THIS ELECTION WAS ALL ABOUT COLOR.

IF OBAMAS OPPONENT WAS BLACK THE RESULTS WOULD HAVE BEEN

50-50 FOR SURE.
WE WERE ALL SCREWED FROM THE BEGINNING.
THE WORLD IS SO SCREWED UP, NOBODY CAN FIX IT.
GOD BLESS US ALL

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Poster: spacedface Date: Nov 5, 2008 12:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: apprehension

>>>From the hours I wasted talking to walls and insults and ugliness that ensued. The rest of the world is celebrating but only half the country is. Some people have a feeling of ominous uncertainty about our future from rights of ownership to freedom of speech (so called fairness doctine).>>>>

Don't worry, it's not like the right wing has taken over and a greedfest will ensue!

We have no need for the "love" of the "Christian Right" and its corrupt overlords like Newt and the "oppressed Christian" Tom DeLay, and supporting actors like Larry Craig and Mark Foley. The Right is the most responsible for putting this country in peril.

The only ominous uncertainty to fear is ominous uncertainty itself. Hope can override fear. As Dylan said, if you can't lend a hand get out of the way. You'll be drowned with Pharaoh's army otherwise.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Nov 5, 2008 3:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: apprehension

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcJHTJxW4mc

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Poster: spacedface Date: Nov 5, 2008 12:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: apprehension

Those who think this was about color are CLUELESS. They're only amplifying what's in their own minds.

Too bad they could never get in the mood for a Dead show and explore the circus of the mind like in "The 7 Faces of Dr. Lao."

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Nov 5, 2008 3:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: apprehension

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG07XzY1k-E

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Poster: spacedface Date: Nov 5, 2008 3:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: apprehension

>>>spacedfacemelting.jpg>>>

Would you hold it near as it were your own

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVdTQ3OPtGY

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Poster: BiscoBoy Date: Nov 5, 2008 3:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: apprehension

But if you fall, you fall alone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1JGY6agD60

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Nov 5, 2008 3:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: apprehension

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-FBdemMug4

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Oct 31, 2008 6:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of plastic

From my point of view, what you are up to politically on this board is far more abusive and destructive than any language I could possibly throw at you. But that's just me.

The only thing I would say to you, one human being to another, is that I don't really believe you need to fear an Obama presidency, if it happens. But that's just me.

Go ahead and report me for abuse: I honestly don't care. I'm done with this board at least until sometime after the election, so you have succeeeded in driving me off. Congratulations.

I really just don't need all the negativity: we're the ones who are supposed to be about hope; I will leave you to the fear and division.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Oct 31, 2008 8:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of plastic

An occasional shorter reality check visit wouldn't hurt -- I know I can't keep up with all the lies of the extreme right.

This post was modified by spacedface on 2008-11-01 03:48:36

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Nov 1, 2008 10:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of plastic

Thanks, spaced ... I appreciate that. I meant what I said about bailing out of here, though. The election is already giving me ulcers, and this just makes it worse.

The most awful thing is just what a fine job the far right has done in dividing this country. Half of McCain supporters are just as terrified of an Obama presidency as I am of a McCain administration: millions and millions of probably decent, ordinary people who are ready to believe any lie they are told (see NC's wacky tax report above).

I know what I'm going to do:
"Cat on a tin roof, dogs in a pile ... "

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Nov 1, 2008 11:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of plastic

Just to underline that point about the divisiveness, because I've been thinking about this a lot lately.

The right also has this lock on the public perception of patriotism, yet in a national presidential election they are willing to tell any number of outrageous lies about the left, actively encouraging Americans to despise and fear each other. That's about as unpatriotic as you can get.

On the other hand, Obama crafted an inclusive and completely centrist campaign, and stayed out of the gutter altogether. I don't know how he did it, but he did.

The bummer is that, even if Obama wins, and even if he should win by a lot, there are millions and millions of ordinary American people who are terrified that he will start to dismantle America. This is where the "patriots" on the right have brought us to. Obama is nobody's dream date: he's got big flaws, including all of the same big-backer obligations any president would have, including McCain. Things are not going to change all that much for most people.

Except that half the country - a quarter on each side - is "afraid" of what will happen if the other side wins. Which is why I adamently believe that the propagandists Karl Rove, and his protege Tim Griffin, who is advising the McCain campaign, can and should be tried for treason. They use lies and massive amounts of disinformation, openly support organized attempts at vote suppression and voter disenfranchisement, and incite the American people against itself. They are your model domestic terrorists.

Then they wear flag pins on their lapels. Wave that flag.

I pray that we will look back at the last eight years as that mad time when America was briefly hijacked - and fleeced clean - by private "military" interests, but I'm too afraid of what will happen if McCain wins.

Keep up the fight. In the long run, truth is stronger than fiction.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Nov 1, 2008 1:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of plastic

>>The bummer is that, even if Obama wins, and even if he should win by a lot, there are millions and millions of ordinary American people who are terrified that he will start to dismantle America. >>>

And yet they themselves are more likely to dismantle America.

If they criticize President Obama's (God willing) policy on war they WILL be guilty of giving aid and comfort to the enemy, and unless we change the laws they proposed and passed, they can be accused of being enemy combatants.

They should do what's right and support the constitution -- and get rid of the Bush/Cheney steps to fascism.

It goes beyond that too the economy: the right wing has poisoned the well and now ordinary citizens are expected to bail out the wealthy. Right wing ideology is used as weapon against themselves.

Let's hope the vote isn't as rigged as the last 2 elections. Someone's worried about it, since the US Army is now deployed inside the US "to help with civil unrest and crowd control."

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/radio/2008/10/27/hafetz/index.html

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Nov 3, 2008 10:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of plastic

Hey spaced,

Thanks for that Salon link - terrifying stuff. My belief is that they can only steal it if it's close, and are rightly terrified of what will happen if they try to steal away a landslide. But the preparations alone are cause for great concern.

I'm wondering if Obama, if he wins, has any plans to roll back all the crazy new presidential powers Bush has given himself. That is just about the best thing he could do for the country: restore democracy by restoring the checks and balances the founders intended.

Although I personally think that all this talk of McCain still having a real chance is mostly just the media giving themselves something to talk about, I'm aware that ANYTHING can happen Tuesday.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 3, 2008 12:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of plastic

Hey Fenario,

I hear you, re: concerns about another stolen vote situation, but I truly believe this time...especially w/all the early voting that's already occurred...the dirty tricksters have no chance. I am completely confident that Obama will carry the day tomorrow, and even believe he will take previously red states like Indiana and NC.

However, I fully agree w/spacedface that if Obama does win, he must NOT succumb to the temptation to take the abuses the Bush presidency has now afforded the Executive branch and run wild with them just b/c he can.

What Bush/Cheney have done to erode Democracy all stems from their efforts,some successful, some not (the Habeas Corpus case they lost before the Supreme Court was a rare victory for Democracy in the past 8 years) to bring unprecedented power to the executive branch and destroy the checks and balances this country depends on. It matters not whether it's the left or right that upsets that balance, and I only hope Obama has the wisdom and self restraint and humility to realize that and act accordingly.

also, on a personal note, I would hate to see you leave this forum. It'll get back to the music eventually, and when it does, it would be nice to have all kind hands on deck.

GC

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Nov 3, 2008 10:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of plastic

I sincerely hope you are right about tomorrow; at some level, I believe you are but I'm afraid to believe it. Like Charlie Brown and that football. And I agree 100% that would be the most confidence-restoring thing that he could do, that and opening the whole prison/torture/secret trial business. Let's hope he doesn't find it too "reassuring" to have all that wonderful power ...

I obviously haven't completely gone away, but I am done arguing. Thanks for the invite to stay. I have to say there are folks who could rightly object to any description of me as "kind" just about now. I expressed some of my feelings more strongly than is prudent or socially acceptable, but I freely admit that this election has me in a state.

I think I also went off a little too much because I don't come HERE for politics. I come here for Some Dark Hollow's latest 81 audience review, bluedevil's hilarious little notes all over the place, and that maniac who can't stop pushing 1969. Well, you get it. And I wouldn't mind at all if someone just expressed an opinion and moved along, but to see someone actively and somewhat relenlessly propagandizing this particular board with known fradulent and mis- information, well it did kind of put my panties in a bunch. I'm just fed up with the sheer reckless viciousness of the "new" politics. I'd hate us, too, if I believed half the things they said about us.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 31, 2008 11:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of changing the subject

Changing the track is what you guys have been doing the whole time everytime I pick apart your argument line by line with references and all so here we go again:

The top tax rate under McCain's proposed plan is 36% vs. Obama's 39%, so, according to you & the GOP, the difference between capitalism and socialism is ... 3%.

1. That 3% when multiplied by what you make is a lot.
2. That is just part of the differences, are you forgetting secret union ballots? "Fairness Doctrine"? Ayers, wright, khalidi, acorn, etc?

As for taxes here is the truth:

CAPITAL GAINS TAX

MCCAIN 0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples). McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.

OBAMA 28% on profit from ALL home sales. (How does this affect you?If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.)

DIVIDEND TAX

MCCAIN 15% (no change)

OBAMA 39.6% - (How will this affect you?If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes president. The experts predict that 'Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market, yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.')

INCOME TAX

MCCAIN
(no changes) Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250

OBAMA (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts) Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750
Under Obama, your taxes could almost double!

INHERITANCE TAX

MCCAIN - 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)

OBAMA Restore the inheritance tax (hmmm, where have I heard about eliminating inhertiance... harpo marx? harpo-oprah OMG I am an illuminati!)

Many families have lost businesses, farms, ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will only lose them to these taxes.

NEW TAXES PROPOSED BY OBAMA

New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet.

New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already) New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity)

New taxes on retirement accounts, and last but not least....

New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-world countries!!!


You can verify the above at the following web sites:

http://money.cnn.com/news/specials/election/2008/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.taxes.html

http://elections.foxnews.com/?s=proposed+taxes
http://bulletin.aarp.org/yourworld/politics/articles/mccain_obama_offer_different_visions_on_taxes.html

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/candidates/barack_obama/
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/candidates/john_mccain/

In 2001, Bush lowered the top tax rate from 38.6% to 35%, so effectively all Obama wants to do is roll back the discounts that the rich and super-rich have been getting for the last 8 years while the rest of us skidded into the gutter. What a fucking communist!

See above... or ignore it and accuse me of changing the subject and being stupid.

Super rich? I made peanuts last year and paid that 35% tax rate as a self employed person, what are you not smoking?

Do you really think it is fair to make more productive people pay a higher rate? What about a flat 20% sales tax on consumption across the board? Would you be against fairness or just more fairness for some? That is socialisms core, graduated taxes.

I applaud the way Biden handled that question.

Of course you do, because he didn't answer it! Then they blacklist the station, attack her associations (hilariously ironic huh?) and kick the papers off the plane that endorsed mccain! Nice freedom of press and speech, avoid, distract and change the subject and then accuse me of it? I am promoting music and you are dragging all this shit up for what reason? That's like the nazi's coming back after nuremburg and saying, "yeah, but you bombed berlin and that's wrong".

Give it up and lose gracefully. I have read enough in the last 4 days to realize I had not a clue as to how far this counterintellectuallism has spread and how blatant it is. It's all there from the beat generation to the communal living, black and white man. ERASURE of the individualist and some utopian cock sucking paradise of equality based on some anti religious free love nonsense, while cults across the globe dream of slitting out throats in the name of god... brilliant!

It really is pathetic the way you repeat every mean-spirited, boneheaded thing that you hear, without ever learning anything for yourself.

Nice try, I have learned more recently then I ever knew and it backs up the gut feelings I have. You are the asshole that ignores the facts and attacks me because I am dangerous to your all or nothing opinion that you need everyone to believe or your theoretical delusions won't work. Boneheaded? Are you fucking retarded? All this shit is real like this:

Franklin D. Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social Security (FICA) Program.
He promised:
1.) That participation in the Program would be completely voluntary,

2.) That the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annualIncomes into the Program,

3.) That the money the participants elected to put into the Program would be deductiblefrom their income for tax purposes each year,

4.) That the money the participants put into the independent 'Trust Fund' rather than intothe general operating fund would only be used to fund the Social Security RetirementProgram, and no other Government program, and,

5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income.

Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are now receiving a Social Securitycheck every month -- and then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of the money wepaid to the Federal government to 'put away' -- you may be interested in the following:

Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the
independent 'Trust Fund' and put itinto the general fund so that Congress could spend it?

A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the Democratic controlled House and Senate. HERE WE GO AGAIN

Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax deduction for Social Security (FICA)withholding?

A: The Democratic Party

Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social Security annuities?

A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the 'tie-breaking' deciding vote asPresident of the Senate, while he was Vice President of the US.

Q: Which Political Party decided to start giving annuity payments to immigrants?

A: That's right! Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party.
Immigrants move into this country, and at age 65, began to receive Social Security payments! The Democratic Party gave these payments to them, even though they never paid a dime into it!

CONGRESS GIVES THEMSELVES 100% RETIREMENT AND FULL MEDICAL FOR ONLY SERVING ONE TERM!!!

A government big enough to give you everything you want, it is strong enough to take everything you have.

Thomas Jefferson

Now don't change the subject and prove me wrong, I'd love to hear an honest word that refutes anything I ever said.

Disclaimer:

References to Bush= irrelevant. He is not running.

Attacking me= irrelevant. I am the messanger, if you hate me when I tell you it's 2:30pm est, it's still 2:30pm est. Sorry.

Calling the Iraq and illegal war = irrelevant, already provided ample proof that it was supported by both house, senate, UN and 20 country coalition, whether it was on the right track or not.

Saying I change the subject- irrelevant, I made my case almost everytime, picked apart your fallacies line by line and clearly showed everyone who would dare read these anymore where you were wrong and I was right. Where I was wrong or where we disagree I voluntarily concede, where you are wrong you start insults and change the subject yourself. It's all on here, read it yourself if you don't beleive me.

Attacking my knowledge and experience- irrelevant and just wrong. I have read marx, rand, sagan, asimov, orwell, and countless college textbooks, old and new dictionaries and encyclopedias and thousands of web articles. I look into every claim I state and don't jump on hannity or limbaugh bandwagon things like the fake B carved in that fat chicks face or the phony skinhead plot where they were going to wear top hats and kill a hundred people and think they could get past secret service with hitler slogans on their car.

Now drink the milk plus, strap yourself in and watch my videos, real horror show my droogie. The cool aid is rancid.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Oct 31, 2008 5:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of changing the subject

Saying I change the subject- irrelevant, I made my case almost everytime, picked apart your fallacies line by line and clearly showed everyone who would dare read these anymore where you were wrong and I was right. Where I was wrong or where we disagree I voluntarily concede, where you are wrong you start insults and change the subject yourself. It's all on here, read it yourself if you don't beleive me.



Completely delusional ... sorry but just making up shit is not really the same thing as winning an argument. All you do is repeat the lies that you are told.

Did I hurt your little feelings when I called you names? Once again, grow a spine and grow the fuck up. You lie, hatemonger, gay bash, and then come on like a victim? Man, you are the perfect Republican!

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Nov 1, 2008 10:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of changing the subject

PS

In fact the CNN links you provided go to a chart that shows the truth about the income tax plans, with everyone under $200K paying a little less, and everyone over $200-250K paying incremently more under Obama's.

The fake table you posted shows EVERYONE paying A LOT MORE - didn't you follow your own link?

Ciao, baby. have a nice life.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Oct 31, 2008 4:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of changing the subject

So, in conclusion, you are either a hate-filled idiot or a lying party hack. Either way, I am seriously not going to waste any more of my time on you. What's the point of arguing with a liar?

I will console myself with the knowledge that there seem to be only a few dozen active members on this board, and most of them seem to have better sense than me, and are completely ignoring your insane bullshit.

Oh, and since you used the Palin effigy incident as an excuse to air your "so-last-century" homophobia, and you keep posting lies about Obama, I'm drawing my own conclusion that you are just a small-minded, bigoted asshole. There is clearly no point in arguing with you.

If you have any hopes of becoming a man someday, might I suggest once again that you start reading some news sites, instead of swallowing every bitter load the Karl Roves of the world keep spraying down your throat? Think for yourself for a change, and stop being such a completely pathetic parrot.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Oct 31, 2008 5:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of changing the subject

I applaud the way Biden handled that question.

Of course you do, because he didn't answer it! Then they blacklist the station, attack her associations (hilariously ironic huh?) and kick the papers off the plane that endorsed mccain! Nice freedom of press and speech, avoid, distract and change the subject and then accuse me of it? I am promoting music and you are dragging all this shit up for what reason? That's like the nazi's coming back after nuremburg and saying, "yeah, but you bombed berlin and that's wrong".


I am "dragging this shit up" in an attempt to counter the blatant lies you insist on spreading around here. The hope is that people who read your bile might also read some of the replies.

When dealing with a journalist, I believe that a public figure has a right to expect a certian level of education and profesionalism. It is not his job to explain the basic differences in various forms of government: shouldn't she have learned that in high school?

Can you explain how a major party presidential candidate, fully owned by corporations, just as surely as McCain and Bush are, could possible be a socialist?

Of course you can't - it's an absurd accusation. It sounds good, though, right? So you might as well keep on saying it, even if you don't have the first clue what it is that you are saying, even if you haven't bothered to check a single fact for yourself, even if you are only contributing to the hateful, divisive atmosphere created by your beloved GOP.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Oct 31, 2008 5:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of changing the subject

I look into every claim I state and don't jump on hannity or limbaugh bandwagon things ....

Really, this is the hilarious part. How does this explain your bogus analysis of the tax plans? Socialism? Palling around with terrorists? You check nothing but your e-mail inbox, which is a notoriously unreliable way to get your information.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Oct 31, 2008 4:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of changing the subject

Hey I can cut and paste too, you know. The difference between you and me is that I check my sources.

That e-mail you are using as the whole truth about the tax plans is nothing but a pack of outright, intentional lies; even better - not one of the links you provided supports those numbers.

(Which seriously makes me wonder why you provided them. Are you so completely cynical that you really believed that no one would check?)

Instead it all comes from one widely circulated but completely false e-mail that you obviously received and ate right up.

This has been completely debunked by snopes/urban legends .com and by FactCheck .org. Links below.

Q: Would Obama tax my profits if I sell my home? Would he tax my IRA? Would he tax my water?
I was just sent this and it had 100s of names attached and forwarded over and over – is it real?

Subject: Important read - Taxes

INTERESTING DATA JUST RECEIVED ON TAXES

Spread the word.....

This is something you should be
aware of so you don't get blind-sided.
This is really going to catch a lot
of families off guard. It should
make you worry.

Proposed changes in taxes after 2008 General election:

CAPITAL GAINS TAX

MCCAIN
0% on home sales up to $500,000
per home (couples) McCain does not
propose any change in existing
home sales income tax.

OBAMA

28% on profit from ALL home sales

How does this affect you?
If you sell your home and make a profit, you
will pay 28% of your gain on taxes.

If you are heading toward retirement
and would like to down-size your
home or move into a retirement
community, 28% of the money you
make from your home will go to taxes. This
proposal will adversely affect the
elderly who are counting on the income
from their homes as part of their retirement income.

DIVIDEND TAX

MCCAIN 15% (no change)

OBAMA 39.6%

How will this affect you?
If you have any money invested in stock
market, IRA, mutual funds,
college funds, life insurance, retirement
accounts, or anything that pays
or reinvests dividends, you will now
be paying nearly 40% of the money
earned on taxes if Obama become president.

The experts predict that 'higher
tax rates on dividends and capital gains
would crash the stock market yet
do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.

INCOME TAX

MCCAIN (no changes)
Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250

OBAMA
(reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750

Under Obama your taxes will
more than double!
How does this affect you? No explanation
needed. This is pretty
straight forward.

INHERITANCE TAX

MCCAIN 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)

OBAMA Restore the inheritance tax
How does this affect you? Many families
have lost businesses,
farms and ranches, and homes
that have
been in their families
for generations because they could not
afford the inheritance tax.
Those willing their assets to loved
ones will not only lose them to
these taxes.

NEW TAXES BEING PROPOSED BY OBAMA


* New government taxes proposed on
homes that are more than
2400 square feet


* New gasoline taxes (as if
gas weren't high enough already)


* New taxes on natural resources
consumption (heating
gas, water, electricity)


* New taxes on retirement accounts
and last but not least....

* New taxes to pay for socialized medicine
so we can receive the same
level of medical care as other
third-world countries!!!



A: No. A new e-mail being circulated about Obama's tax proposals is almost entirely false.
Alert readers may already have noted that this chain e-mail does not provide links to any of Obama's actual proposals or cite any sources for the claims it makes. That is because they are made up.This widely distributed message is so full of misinformation that we find it impossible to believe that it is the result of simple ignorance or carelessness on the part of the writer. Almost nothing it says about Obama's tax proposals is true. We conclude that this deception is deliberate.


Wachovia Apologizes


Update, Aug. 27:One version of this e-mail was sent around by a financial professional, Robert Jenkins, a vice president of Wachovia Securities in St. Louis, Mo. Even though Jenkins is an investment adviser and not a tax expert, we thought his endorsement might seem to some readers to give this false e-mail greater credibility. So we attempted to ask Jenkins about the matter. But instead of a reply from him, we received the following message from another Wachovia official, whose identity we confirmed by telephone:

Thank you for contacting Wachovia regarding a recent email regarding "proposed changes in taxes after the 2008 General election." Please know that Wachovia does not endorse any political party, candidate, or initiative, and that our Firm did not endorse or approve the email as it is contrary to our Code of Conduct and Corporate Values.

Members of executive and departmental leadership in Wachovia Corporation and Wachovia Securities have been made aware of the email, and Robert Jenkins has been dealt with appropriately and directly. Every effort has been made to ensure that no additional emails or communications of this nature will be issued by any member of our Firm.

We sincerely apologize for this unfortunate incident.

Cynthia Plackemeier
Assistant Branch Manager

We later contacted William Mannen, a Wachovia vice president for branch administration in St. Louis. He declined to say whether or not Jenkins is still employed by Wachovia.


Our own sources for the following are Obama's own Web site and other statements, interviews with Obama's policy advisers, and a comprehensive analysis of both the McCain and Obama tax plans produced by the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center, plus additional sources to which we have provided links.Home Sales: The claim that Obama would impose a 28 percent tax on the profit from "all home sales" is false. Both Obama and McCain would continue to exempt the first $250,000 of gain from the sale of a primary residence ($500,000 for a married couple filing jointly) which results in zero tax on all but a very few home sales.
Capital Gains Rate: It's untrue that Obama is proposing a 28 percent capital gains tax rate. He said in an interview on CNBC that he favors raising the top rate on capital gains from its present 15 percent to 20 percent or more, but no higher than 28 percent. And as for a 28 percent rate, he added, "my guess would be it would be significantly lower than that." Furthermore, he has said only couples making $250,000 or more (or, his policy advisers tell us, singles making more than $200,000) would pay the higher capital gains rate. That means the large majority of persons who pay capital gains taxes would see no increase at all.


Tax on Dividends: Another false claim is that Obama proposes to raise the tax rate on dividends to 39.6 percent. Dividends currently are taxed at a top rate of 15 percent, and Obama would raise that to the same rate as he would tax capital gains, somewhere between 20 percent and 28 percent but likely "significantly" lower than 28 percent. This higher tax also would fall only on couples making $250,000 or more or singles making more than $200,000.


Taxing IRAs and 529s: Contrary to the claim in this e-mail, raising tax rates on capital gains or dividends would not result in higher taxes on any investments held in Individual Retirement Accounts or in popular, tax-deferred "college funds" under section 529 of the Internal Revenue Code. The whole point of such tax-deferred plans is that dividends and capital gains are allowed to accumulate and compound tax-free, and neither Obama nor McCain proposes to change that. And as previously mentioned, any capital gains or dividend income from stocks, bonds or mutual funds owned outside of tax-deferred accounts would continue to be taxed at current rates except for couples making over $250,000, or singles making more than $200,000.


Doubled Taxes? The claim that "Under Obama your taxes will more than double!" is also false. The comparative rate tables this e-mail provides for McCain and Obama are entirely wrong, as we explained in an earlier article March 13 about another false e-mail from which these tables are copied. It is supposedly a comparison of tax rates before and after the Bush tax cuts, but it grossly overstates the effect of the Bush cuts. Furthermore, Obama proposes to retain the Bush cuts for every single income level shown in this bogus table.


Estate Tax. The claim that Obama proposes to "restore the inheritance tax" is also false, as are the claims that McCain would impose zero tax and that Bush "repealed" it. McCain and Obama both would retain a reduced version of the estate tax, as it is correctly called, though McCain would reduce it by more.

The tax now falls only on estates valued at more than $2 million (effectively $4 million for couples able to set up the required legal and financial arrangements). It reaches a maximum rate of 45 percent on amounts more than that. It was not repealed, but it is set to expire temporarily in 2010, then return in 2011, when it would apply to estates valued at more than $1 million ($2 million for couples), with the maximum rate rising to 55 percent.

Obama has proposed to apply the tax only to estates valued at more than $3.5 million ($7 million for couples), holding the maximum rate at 45 percent. McCain would apply it to estates worth more than $5 million ($10 million for couples), with a maximum rate of 15 percent.


"New Tax" Falsehoods: The e-mail continues with a string of made-up taxes that it falsely claims Obama has proposed. He has not proposed a tax on new homes with more than 2,400 square feet, or a new gasoline tax or a tax on retirement accounts. The most laughably false claim is that Obama would tax "water."

Two claims in this message, while not completely false, are still grossly misleading.

The claim that Obama would impose "new taxes on natural resources" may refer to his support for a cap-and-trade system to reduce carbon emissions, which indeed would impose large costs on industries burning coal, gas or oil and, indirectly, on their consumers. But McCain also supports cap-and-trade legislation, and even coauthored an early version of a bill that reached the Senate floor this year. Obama's plan would give the federal government more of the revenue from auctioning pollution permits than McCain's plan. Whether cap-and-trade amounts to a "tax" is a matter of interpretation. The fact is neither McCain nor Obama call it that.

There is also some truth to the claim that Obama would impose "new taxes" to finance his health care plan, depending on your interpretation of "new." He has said he would pay for much of his plan "by allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire for people making more than $250,000 per year, as they are scheduled to do." That would certainly be a tax increase for those high-income persons, compared with what they are paying now. But whether that's imposing a new tax, or just letting an old one come back, depends on your point of view. It may well be that Obama will eventually propose tax increases to finance some of his plan. We've noted before that the "cost savings" that he says will finance much of his plan are inflated and probably won't materialize, according to independent experts we consulted. But it's wrong to say that he's proposing such taxes now.

The short answer to our reader's question is, no, this message isn't real. It's a pack of lies.

-Brooks Jackson


Sources
“Background Questions and Answers on Health Care Plan.” Barack Obama’s Web site, accessed 10 July 2008.

“Energy and Environment. “Barack Obama’s Web site, accessed 10 July 2008.


News Release: “CNBC’s Maria Bartiromo Speaks with Senator Barack Obama on CNBC’s “Closing Bell.” 27 March 2008. CNBC Web site.


“Plan to Strengthen the Economy.” Barack Obama’s Web site, accessed 10 July 2008.


Tax Policy Center: Urban Institute and Brookings Institution. “A Preliminary Analysis of the 2008 Presidential Candidates’ Tax Plans,” 20 June 2008.




Copyright © 2003 - 2008, Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania
FactCheck.org's staff, not the Annenberg Center, is responsible for this material.
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/would_obama_tax_my_profits_if_i.html



http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/taxes.asp

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 30, 2008 11:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of socialism

what a fuckin' leftist rag of a publication:

http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displayStory.cfm?story_id=12516666&;source=features_box_main

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 30, 2008 4:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH

Re-hijack of Phil interview - Exhibit A re Ryan:

http://www.archive.org/details/ryanadams2006-10-23.sbd.flac16

Sounds pretty damn good

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Poster: spacedface Date: Oct 29, 2008 4:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of plastic

It's really a matter of appropriate use.

Massive exposure to carcinogens, amplified through synergistic effects, is not a good long term use of a non renewable resource. The current American way can't last. It's really the system of antichrist (a book title BTW); remember Jesus said choose life.

Like the GD said, one way or another this darkness has got to give. To try to rekindle the patriot's dreams.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 30, 2008 8:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of plastic

I fear our only choice may be to rekindle the patriots dream- like the boston tea party (a protest against excessive taxation without representation) if things like the fairness doctrine, pieces of pie being taken away from those who paid for it and given to those that didn't and making world opinion a higher priority than our own children.

What parts of the manifesto you accused me of not reading did you like the best? The part where one of the main goals was to redistribute the population and illiminate the diversity between town and country or the parts about the elimination of the nuclear family, or was it the elimination of inheritance (of which I did not get any, but I am not complaining)? I don't make $250k a year but would never want to force someone who does to pay someone who doesn't even pay income taxes. That doesn't bother you? Now that is an honest question and you can yell haliburton and palins wardrobe and think biden not answering questions is healthy for democracy like ed shultz storming off stage when confronted. Go ahead, call me hitler now.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Oct 30, 2008 6:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of plastic

>>>I fear our only choice may be to rekindle the patriots dream- like the boston tea party (a protest against excessive taxation without representation) if things like the fairness doctrine, >>>

If you know anything about economics, you'd realizes that the assumptions of nonpublic goods, perfect information, and perfect rationality are all problems not yet solved by the Nobel winners. You might have also heard something about monopoly and oligopoly -- some industries naturally require regulation because they are too important to the public good.

If we could trust people not to externalize costa and rip the public off that would be great. But the Republican revolution has again proven the criticisms of the attempts at unregulated capitalism.


>>>What parts of the manifesto you accused me of not reading did you like the best? >>>

If you're talking about the communist manifesto, well nice try but it too is outdated and intellectually-limited ideology.


>>>I don't make $250k a year but would never want to force someone who does to pay someone who doesn't even pay income taxes. That doesn't bother you? >>>

No. The problem with your perspective is that you don't seem to realize or acknowledge that our system is riddled with preferences and kickbacks, which the rich benefit from the most.

A study done within the DOE in the 80's found that oil, gas, coal, nuke, and electrical industries had received massive subsidies, which have continued, while renewables and conservation were starved. If the Reaganites were interested in a level playing field they wouldn't have pushed pet projects in uneconomic ways.

The same goes for subsidies to corn, soy and big ag. Farmers aren't encouraged to grow veggies and are even penalized for it.

I'd be for a limited flat tax (akin to Islamic law!) if there were no exceptions for corporations. Similarly, the death penalty is now very unwise since the justice system is so broken. California spends about $10 bill/yr despite a $7B deficit.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Oct 30, 2008 5:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of plastic

Forget it .. you are making this too easy.


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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 31, 2008 11:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of plastic

I wish.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Oct 31, 2008 11:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of plastic people

heheheheheheheh

(Ladies and Gentlemen...
The President of the United States!
"Fellow Americans...Doot, Doot, Doot..."
He's been sick!--Doot! Doot!
And I think his wife is gonna bring him some chicken soup)

Plastic people!
Oh, baby, now you're such a drag

(I know it's hard to defend an unpopular policy
Every once in a while-- )

Plastic people!
Oh, baby, now you're such a drag

(There's this guy from the CIA he's creeping around Laurel Canyon...)

A fine little girl, she waits for me
She's as plastic as she can be
She paints her face with plastic goo
And wrecks her hair with some shampoo

Plastic people
Oh, baby, now you're such a drag

(I dunno, sometimes I just get tired of ya honey--it's...ah..it's your
...hair spray or something like that...)

Plastic people
Oh, baby, now you're such a drag

(I hear the sound of marching feet...
down Sunset Boulevard to Crescent Heights
and there at Pandora's box, we are confronted with a vast quantity of plastic people...)

Take a day and walk around!
Watch the Nazis run your town!
Then go home and check yourself!
You think we're singing 'bout someone else!

But you're Plastic People
Oh, Baby, now
You're such a drag

Me see a neon moon above
I searched for years, I found no love
I'm sure that love will never be
A product of Plasticity
A product of Plasticity
A product of Plasticity
PLASTIC, PLASTIC PEOPLE--PLA-HA-HA-HA
HA-PLASTIC--You are--your foot--your hair
--your nose--your arms--you eat-- suck--you love
--you are--your being is--you're plastic--blah
--blah--blah--blah plastic Peoples
-A prune is not a vegetable
--cabbage is a vegetable; makes it O.K.
--plastic people--plastic People
--you drive--- you live in --- you dream about...you think only of...you read...you are...Ooo-Hoo-Hoo...
purple prancing--plastic People- everybody
beep bibby bibby bibby bibby bibby bip

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Poster: dilcurrie Date: Oct 31, 2008 11:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of plastic people

sounds alot like Zappa

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Oct 31, 2008 11:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of plastic people

You are correct - I should have credited it properly

The more things change the more they stay the same

or

Upside out, Inside Down

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 31, 2008 11:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no mention of pojama people?


Happy Halloween:

http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/dt/frank-zappa-concert/20051493-2431.html

I often go here when I need some FZ during the day:

http://www.zappa.com/zapparadio/index.html

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Poster: dilcurrie Date: Oct 31, 2008 11:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no mention of pojama people?

theres something reassuringly insane about FZ, you need a fix from time to time to remind yourself that the world aint crazy...

...hang on a minute...it is!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 31, 2008 11:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no mention of pojama people?

...the torture never stops...

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Poster: dilcurrie Date: Oct 31, 2008 12:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no mention of pojama people?

no. It doesn't HAHAHAHAHAHa (mad halloween type laugh!)

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Oct 31, 2008 12:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no mention of pojama people?

You need to add a B and get the Diaphragm working

BWWWWAAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH !!!!!!!!!

Frank Zappa

It can't happen here
It can't happen here
I'm telling you, my dear
That it can't happen here

Because I been checkin' it out, baby
I checked it out a couple a times, hmmmmmmmm
And I'm telling you
It can't happen here
Oh darling, it's important that you believe me
(Bop bop bop bop)
That it can't happen here


Who could imagine that they would freak out somewhere in Kansas...
Kansas Kansas tototototodo
Kansas Kansas tototototodo
Kansas Kansas

Who could imagine that they would freak out in Minnesota...
Mimimimimimimi Minnesota, Minnesota, Minnesota
Who could imagine...
Who could imagine

That they would freak out in Washington, D.C.
D.C. D.C. D.C. D.C. D.C.
It can't happen here
Ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba
It can't happen here
It can't happen here

Everybody's safe and it can't happen here
No freaks for us
It can't happen here
Everybody's clean and it can't happen here
No, no, it won't happen here

I'm telling you it can't
It won't happen here
(Bop bop didi bop didi bop bop bop)
Plastic folks, you know
It won't happen here

You're safe, mama
You're safe, baby
You just cook a TV dinner
And you make it
(Bop bop bop)
No no no no

Oh, we're gonna get a TV dinner and cook it up
Go get a TV dinner and cook it up
Cook it up
Oh, and it won't happen here
(No no no no no no no no no no no

Man you guys are really safe
Everything's cool).
Who could imagine
Who could imagine

That they would freak out in the suburbs
I remember (tu-tu)
I remember (tu-tu)
I remember (tu-tu)

They had a swimming pool
I remember (tu-tu)
I remember (tu-tu)
They had a swimming pool
I remember (tu-tu)
I remember (tu-tu)
They had a swimming pool.

And they thought it couldn't happen here
(duh duh duh duh duh)
They knew it couldn't happen here
They were so sure it couldn't happen here
But...

Suzie...
Yes yes yes--I've always felt that
Yes I agree man, it really makes it...yeah...
It's a real THING, man
And it really makes it
(Makes it)

Suzie, you just got to town,
And we've been, we've been very interested
In your development,
Since you first took the shots.
Forget it!

Hmmmmmmmmm
(It can't happen here)
(Can't happen here)
(Can't happen here)

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 31, 2008 1:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no mention of pojama people?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDwRJK8bpb4

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Oct 31, 2008 1:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no mention of pojama people?

Sweet

With tunes like "The Illinois Enema Bandit" you just can't go wrong . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uRvR2oF3FQ&;feature=related

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 31, 2008 1:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no mention of pojama people?

Deadman's (my usual vocalist) uncle plays big band zappa tributes, good stuff.

Check him out:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&;friendid=264050565

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&;friendID=89776852

Saw him live at the music pier on the boardwalk in Ocean City NJ, saw JGB there too.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Oct 31, 2008 1:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no mention of pojama people?

Thx - I'll keep my eyes and ears open

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Poster: spacedface Date: Oct 29, 2008 8:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Recent Biden Interview

Is the guy in the blue shirt supposed to be Alaska taking from the US treasury?

Or is it the GOP suing Acorn to distract while they try to steal another election?

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Poster: Edsel Date: Oct 29, 2008 9:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Recent Biden Interview

You have my heartfelt sympathy for your affliction.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Oct 29, 2008 10:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Recent Biden Interview

You've got to refer me to your plastic surgeon.

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Poster: Edsel Date: Oct 29, 2008 11:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Recent Biden Interview

Sorry, I don't require one, but I can refer you to a plastic sturgeon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__uKSbfBXAc

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Poster: spacedface Date: Oct 29, 2008 2:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Recent Biden Interview

watch out for plastic byproducts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIEaso4Ty1M

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Poster: lastcall Date: Oct 28, 2008 2:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Recent Biden Interview

I don't think you would know talent if it kicked you in the ass. In addition, I don't think you will ever kick anything in the ass.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Oct 29, 2008 5:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Recent Biden Interview

at lastcall, the women ALL look good with the old beergoogles on...
"this is a joke" and a hijacking on the PHIL interview thread, take the flac.

I laid myself out, I was so tired and I started to dream
In the morning the parking tickets were just like
A flag stuck on my window screen

I said, Hey! You! Get off of my cloud

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 28, 2008 2:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Recent lastcall anal insertion

Well since you are god, I am fucked.

Thanks for being a "kind" brother!

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Oct 28, 2008 11:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Recent Phil Interview

I loved Whiskeytown, and also really like Ryan's song about Jerry's guitar (Rosebud).

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